Curse

headlesshobbs · Dec 27, 2010, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Post Update:

Ok so I went over what everyone had to say and I've started coming up with a couple ideas of my own. Since the concept of killing helpless animals in the wild doesn't please everyone (or the peta lovers *hehe*), I decided that making this into a special type of title you can get for finding, charming or slaying specific types of npc's you should happen to come across if by chance or luck.

Here's what we got on the rundown (so far...)

Flee on sight variety

-The type that will keep their distance. Whenever you come anywhere near aggro range, they will attempt to stay away from you and use skills like speed busts, or some other skill that will take them out of the area if left too long. Some of which will also have hex remove, condition remove, possibly health regeneration. It depends on the type of creature that's encountered.

Open variety

-These can be seen out in the wild either by themselves or wading inside groups of enemies and sport different patterns of behavior. Some may attack outright, others might just do something you could never expect (like turn your group into something something prior to vanishing). The ones you have to take out may run builds that consist of "exclusive monster skills" that can't be used by anyone else and depending on the type, they can likely take out your party if you're not the least bit ready for them.

Rare variety

-Pretty much the cream of the crop. Your chances of seeing these will be few and far between, plus you can't expect to go into the area of habitat and hope for the rare chance you'll come across one. These encounters are random and more or less present themselves as a missed opportunity if you shouldn't happen to capture/kill this kind. They will be at the top of the list as far as finishing the title goes, but for the most part it's that uncommon occurrence any hunter should keep their eyes peeled for, like Captain Ahab chasing his Moby Dick.

These creatures will be set up for mainly 2 types, possible pet and enemy npc. Both should have interesting traits about them as they're both new and unseen creatures that haven't been encountered before and present yet another way of encouraging players to make the most of their pve experience.

You found your Black Moa, now let's chase after something else!

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Original post.

I've always wondered why we never got the option to hunt down wildlife rather then just charming everything we come across. Why not make it an option and provide suitable bonuses for doing so?

Lord Dagon · Dec 27, 2010, 06:35 PM // 18:35

because this is a cheery videogame... and some of the ppl that play are like 13. And i wouldnt think that i'd be good for a videogame to teach 13yr old kids to hunt and kill wildlife.

edit: if u want to hunt wildlife go to your local movie theatre and play some shooting arcade.. usually those are deer shooting games
you could also play oblivion.. you can hunt in there all to your content.. but leave the sensless animal cruelty out of GW

Spiritz · Dec 27, 2010, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

because this is a cheery videogame... and some of the ppl that play are like 13. And i wouldnt think that i'd be good for a videogame to teach 13yr old kids to hunt and kill wildlife.

edit: if u want to hunt wildlife go to your local movie theatre and play some shooting arcade.. usually those are deer shooting games
you could also play oblivion.. you can hunt in there all to your content.. but leave the sensless animal cruelty out of GW

We talking about gw still ? - monster hunt / plant hunt - sorry if im wrong but they are classed as wildlife.Btw so its fine for the 13yr kids to play gw to kill foes ( humans,demons,orges etc etc ) but not correct to teach them to kill wildlife ??

I feel your logic is quite flawed - maybe others may as well.

Lord Dagon · Dec 27, 2010, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

We talking about gw still ? - monster hunt / plant hunt - sorry if im wrong but they are classed as wildlife.Btw so its fine for the 13yr kids to play gw to kill foes ( humans,demons,orges etc etc ) but not correct to teach them to kill wildlife ??

I feel your logic is quite flawed - maybe others may as well.

yes because children at 13 by now know that the stuff they are killing is fantasy and even if they don't they can't go around and kill an oni or w/e.

But if they can kill wildlife and they don't differentiate the difference then they'll go out and kill a dog, a deer or something that could potentially get them killed. That's why you see games that allow hunting wildlife(oblivion for example) are rated M. becasue by then if you can't differentiate the difference then they have a place for you called the penatenary.

CronkTheImpaler · Dec 27, 2010, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Hunting = tasty critters as well as keeping the populations in check. Nothing worse then watching the spring deer herd starve to death. That i can assure.

Cronk

Lanier · Dec 27, 2010, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

yes because children at 13 by now know that the stuff they are killing is fantasy and even if they don't they can't go around and kill an oni or w/e.

But if they can kill wildlife and they don't differentiate the difference then they'll go out and kill a dog, a deer or something that could potentially get them killed. That's why you see games that allow hunting wildlife(oblivion for example) are rated M. becasue by then if you can't differentiate the difference then they have a place for you called the penatenary.

uh... what?

If hunting animals in a game teaches kids to kill animals in real life (which it doesnt...), then why wouldnt killing humans in a game teach kids to kill humans in real life?

btw, hunting wildlife in oblivion isn't the reason why that game is rated M.

hahahi20 · Dec 27, 2010, 11:04 PM // 23:04

In wow you can burn squirrels to but i think it highers the chance that young kids set an dog on fire, killing a human tough is something diffrend

But if you would like to hunt wildlife, i think gw isn't the right game, if you have a wii buy then monster hunter 3 or something like that

Zenzai · Dec 28, 2010, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

yes because children at 13 by now know that the stuff they are killing is fantasy and even if they don't they can't go around and kill an oni or w/e.

But if they can kill wildlife and they don't differentiate the difference then they'll go out and kill a dog, a deer or something that could potentially get them killed. That's why you see games that allow hunting wildlife(oblivion for example) are rated M. becasue by then if you can't differentiate the difference then they have a place for you called the penatenary.

Last time I heard, oblivion got an M rating because someone managed to find a way to remove their default bra and panties.

"It is good the people wear clothing. M'aiq wears clothing. Who would want to see M'aiq naked? Sick, sick people. Very sad."

Kerwyn Nasilan · Dec 28, 2010, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

because this is a cheery videogame... and some of the ppl that play are like 13. And i wouldnt think that i'd be good for a videogame to teach 13yr old kids to hunt and kill wildlife.

edit: if u want to hunt wildlife go to your local movie theatre and play some shooting arcade.. usually those are deer shooting games
you could also play oblivion.. you can hunt in there all to your content.. but leave the sensless animal cruelty out of GW

Leave your senseless assumptions that hunting is "animal cruelty" out of guru.
And yeah you can "hunt" the pets, but seeing as the game's combat is not really suited for a chase/stalking approach. To make them any challenge you would have to strengthen them at which point you would have regular enemies.

gremlin · Dec 28, 2010, 06:21 AM // 06:21

This is getting a little silly
Video games are violent and that violence doesn't affect most people to any degree whether they are killing demons or deer.

Its fantasy not real and most people can see the difference, there are thankfully only a tiny number who go on to become deranged by the experience but they were on that track before the games came along.

Suggesting we should be allowed to kill the animals in the game isn't a problem, if someone posted we should be allowed to kill all the children in the game with an axe then that might need looking into.

Lighten up people its a game.

Rushin Roulette · Dec 28, 2010, 08:37 AM // 08:37

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Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

yes because children at 13 by now know that the stuff they are killing is fantasy and even if they don't they can't go around and kill an oni or w/e.

But if they can kill wildlife and they don't differentiate the difference then they'll go out and kill a dog, a deer or something that could potentially get them killed. That's why you see games that allow hunting wildlife(oblivion for example) are rated M. becasue by then if you can't differentiate the difference then they have a place for you called the penatenary.

Waaa? 0.o Killing animals for food isnt ok for Kids, but running out of a town, infecting a human with dissease, poison him, give him a deep wound and finally murder him with a hammer while he is standing next to his friends only to ressurect him as an undead minion zombie just to attack his own ex-friends is ok?

I totally see the educational value of that. Those are some vital skills to learn if you are planning on studying medicine and law later on.

Lord Dagon · Dec 28, 2010, 05:12 PM // 17:12

That is acctually a good idea. My point i was trying to get across is that there is no need for senseless animal cruelty in GW(and yes i think hunting for sport is animal cruelty Kerwyn Nasilan

) BUT, i think it wouldnt be bad if we were hunting fictional characters(like the troll example above). But then we run into the problem of what's just fighting the stuff you come across and "hunting".

P.S: I'm a very anti-animal cruelty person. So the people flaming me you'll at least understand where im comming from. Heck i don't hurt a fly if i can avoid it.

reaper with no name · Dec 28, 2010, 06:43 PM // 18:43

How would you make something like this have any challenge beyond what killing neutral animals does now? That would require either making them absurdly powerful or adding a lot of game mechanics for something that is simply not worth it.

/notsigned

headlesshobbs · Dec 28, 2010, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Thread has been updated. Please read the original post and tell me what additional ideas you'd like to bring to the table.

gremlin · Dec 29, 2010, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Read your updated post and have a few comments.

Yes I agree a real world with animals you could hunt has some appeal, Would only be interested myself if there were collectables from them.
I am thinking the skins we accept hides from many of the intelligent creatures in the game without thinking about it Charr hides for instance and there is a charr hero in GW and the race is available as characters in GW2.

No reason why you could not have Black moa pelts and yes if you made some species flee on site while others are rare then hides with increasing values as part of this or a future game would be of interest to me.

It might be possible to include this in a future game or perhaps as a part of the occasional festival in guild wars 1.

For the moment capturing all the animal companions and filling my Zoo is good enough for me.
Like to think I am preserving them so they can be released into GW2 should they have died out.

jazilla · Dec 29, 2010, 09:42 PM // 21:42

i think the OP meant virtual peta since this is a video game and the creatures and everything else aren't real.

RedStar · Dec 30, 2010, 01:18 AM // 01:18

It's the totally random character of it that I don't like that much. And I know ANet is evil...they are going to put one in a zone where very few people bother to go, really close to the exit and surrounded by a lot of foes.

To the anti-animal cruelty : 13 y.o. playing this game has more "moral" things to worry about than hunting animals (which we did for Gwen's wedding).

Personally, I dislike PETA. I find only a few things they do to be good...

drkn · Dec 30, 2010, 11:24 AM // 11:24

Silly idea.

I don't really care about slaying innocents, little furry animals included, in video games. Heck, one of the best scenes in God of War III is when Kratos walked on a cornice and had to dispose of a civilian, as seen in the game's trailer.
The idea isn't really appealing from the mechanical and role-play points of view. Why a moa needs an exclusive monster skill that wipes your party if you're not pre-protted? Why do we need another title, especially for such a stupid thing? There are already animal statues in HoM to recognize your charming skills, it's more than enough.
Didn't have such a laugh over a thread in Sardelac for a while, though.

A11Eur0 · Dec 30, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Lord Dagon

yes because children at 13 by now know that the stuff they are killing is fantasy and even if they don't they can't go around and kill an oni or w/e.

But if they can kill wildlife and they don't differentiate the difference then they'll go out and kill a dog, a deer or something that could potentially get them killed. That's why you see games that allow hunting wildlife(oblivion for example) are rated M. becasue by then if you can't differentiate the difference then they have a place for you called the penatenary.

HOLY CRAP YOU'RE INSANE. Seriously? You're playing a VIDEO GAME and think that kids will learn to effectively HUNT from it?

Oblivion is M for Mature because of the ability to access nudity, NOT BECAUSE YOU HUNT IN IT. And actual HUNTING GAMES are not rated M for Mature, either.

You cracked-out nutjob.

PS: Killing for sport is NOT animal cruelty. Killing an animal in a long drawn-out painful process is animal cruelty. Using a large-bore rifle to decimate an animal's internal organs causing near-instant death is HUMANE, not cruel. hell, most societies that still depend on subsistence hunting that don't have access to firearms (Pygmies, jungle tribes, island tribes, etc) as well as earlier civilizations used relatively cruel methods for SUBSISTENCE HUNTING such as snares, dead-falls, and trips that let an animal suffer for hours to days until the trappers made their way back to check on them. Hell, people still use traps in rural areas of even the most civilized nations for subsistence eating and fur-trading.

headlesshobbs · Dec 31, 2010, 12:20 AM // 00:20

We do kill for sport because it's tradition and what we had to do in order to survive. If anyone wants to find a worthy place to whine about it, Caleb's would be the place to start with as opposed to wasting your time here.

Read that comment again if you don't agree.